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Got to east ridge trees on Echo Peak before any tracks today. One other party of 2 went up the same way. We had 4 in our group and did two laps. This is a narrow zone where this much use tracks most of it up. Not really enough snow to ski the bowls on either side of the ridge, nor a good idea unless you're sure the snow is safe. Skiing in the trees is a bit mellow, and usually involves a half hour of confusion coming and going. Still, I try to hit Echo at least once a year. Great views, less people, protected winter snow, and easy access to the Indian Rock north facing chutes. Thought about going over there, but it just seemed impossible that they would be covered enough. In a big winter, there is a ton of skiing from the Wintoon Dead End parking spot. The 3 neighboring peaks Angora 8588', Echo 8895', and Flagpole 8363'.

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This is the upper 1000' of the ski. Pretty easy to skin to the summit staying on 30 degree terrain. There is a short 35 degree 100' above the trees and just below the summit that makes me nervous after a big snow. A lot of wind piles up snow deep just above the trees and forms a roll-over that should be navigated carefully if you're worried about the snow stability. At the moment, there isn't enough snow built up to even tower over the rocks and small trees. Stay away from the cornices near the summit, they get huge. And again, I suggest you resist the temptation to dive right into echo bowl for powder unless you know it's safe.
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Ahhh!! I cant tell you how much I wish you would have looked down the "Hall of the Gods" while you were up there. Im fairly new to the area and I only found out about it end of last season. I hiked up through Soda springs this summer and got a good view from the valley and above Cathedral, it looks gnar. I cant wait to ski it this year. Do you think its impossible that it has any snow?


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here's the thread on indian cliff chutes in case you didn't see it.
http://www.thebackcountry.net/bb/viewto ... iff+chutes

There's a good pic Steelman put on there that everyone takes from the summit of tallac. Going up tallac with binoculars will tell you if the chutes are filled in enough. I've heard going up tallac is all bushes at the bottom. The bowl is probably rocky. Otherwise tallac is probably good.

so the less steep angled chute next to hall of gods is probably skiable in case you walk out there and don't do your objective. Hall has got to have a downclimb in the middle, since it's pretty bony even in huge winter halfway down. I doubt you could ski all the way down without getting creative as well.

so go for it and show us some pics! I'm anxious to go out there again. I'd wait until the end of the season, just before we start losing snow depth.

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heh. ran into a friend that lives at the end of wintoon up on top of p-house one am this week and he was saying that there was some film crew or other w/ a van saying backcountry something or other skiing echo peak. musta been youz guyz. something else he said he saw when xc touring round the area seems pretty evident in the pic of the guy walking over deadfall on the way up. missed the regular ascent trail, huh???? :wink:


and yeah, there's no way the indian rock chutes go clean right now w/ the snowpack we've got.


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I don't drive the van anymore to trailheads if I can help it. People think I do tours and make money off of their backyard backcountry access. I say "look in the van, it's a bunch of cardboard and broken display fixtures". Although I would like to do some kind of carpooling type service with the van 1 day a week.

We saw the film crew guys show up just after us. I forget what the company was called. A Jeep Grand Cherokee.

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Ahhh!! I cant tell you how much I wish you would have looked down the "Hall of the Gods" while you were up there. Im fairly new to the area and I only found out about it end of last season. I hiked up through Soda springs this summer and got a good view from the valley and above Cathedral, it looks gnar. I cant wait to ski it this year. Do you think its impossible that it has any snow?


It's definitely possible, and it definitely has snow.

I'm sure mini-hall will go... but the actual hall might be tricky.

Here's a pic from BEFORE all the snow... Jan 13th... so I'm guessing that it'll be do-able. So why don't ya find out for us?

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Since there's no snow decided to hike around the burn area in Tahoe and scope out if there would be any better access to some of the goods in the area and any potential new routes opening up.

Access though the flats did not seem to burn that hard, lots partially burnt Manzinita and quite a few holes left from old stumps.

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Flats are gonna burn out more quickly now without all the shade
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Looking down along the shoulder to the open area that funnels back to the flats, really no difference
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Looking back up towards the goods from the shoulder
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Hopefully it will look lie this again soon!
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Views out towards Mule Deer area
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Angora ridge it self may offer some good glade skiing if you catch it before the sun kills it, pretty short run though
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Seneca Pond looks pretty good still considering the fire started near by
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The rest of the area not so good

This is were the Gun Turret trail crossed Angora Creek

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New Gun Turret trail views
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Echo Peak had great snow on both east and north exposures yesterday if you shopped around a little. We found chalky winter snow where you could see a little texture visably on the slopes, and under the cornice areas was powder (with NO cornices, RARE).

A new world touring through the burn area. The sun hits the snow now, so you can see where you're going, and the snow was great corn all through there. USFS was clearing trees and told us the forest is CLOSED for recreation, and posted so. The forest isn't closed guys. Just stay away from them. Parking on Wintoon, you aren't going to bump into USFS. It's hard to avoid them coming back. When you see them, you are a bit too low in elevation. Go right, uphill slightly, and you'll find your car at Wintoon. Finding your car isn't easy, a GPS would be nice. You can't get lost coming back from Echo Peak however, you're going to hit one of the dead end streets off of the main road.
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Echo Peak has amazing views and is an easy 2300' climb. The climb goes up the east ridge, which is your easiest way back. Snow is crusty in there at the moment. Skiing the east facing bowls on either side of the peak are where the steeper skiing is, with better snow. You will be picking your way around rocky, steep terrain for a few hundred feet however, so this is not for beginners. Avy danger can be high in these areas too, but isn't right now!
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This is neighboring Angora Peak's South Side. Not easy to access, but would be great steep chuting like above Emerald Bay on Jake's. Same approach, you can't drive Angora Lake's Road until spring time from what I know. There wasn't quite enough snow in them at the top for us to get sold on going over there yesterday. There was a track in one of them.
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Tallac's south side on the left of this shot.
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Pyramid's East side looks as covered as it usually is, and I bet corn snow is great over there.
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Desolation is covered well! Get out there.
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South side of Dick's still holding enough snow I bet to snake down to Half Moon Lake from near the summit.
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We went over to ski the Indian Cliff Chute I've heard called Mini Halls. It was narrow and had a wind hardened, glassy look to it. So we skied the main gully over to skier's left, down to about 7600'. It wasn't too hard to find nice winter snow, with even a few inches of ski penetration.
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This is looking back up at Mini Halls. You can only see the top half of it. We didn't bother trying to look at the true Halls of Gods chutes. They would have been rocky and super sketchy in the middle. I have a pic of these chutes at the bottom of this post taken years ago with tons of snow.
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After coming back up to the summit, we peered into the chutes just north of the summit. There is usually a huge cornice there, as seen in the last picture of my post here. We found really nice edgable firm winter snow in there. Two chutes to choose from. Go up there and ski em now, you won't find this opportunity again without a cornice to negotiate. We traversed back to the East Ridge once below the apron and went up to the summit for one last run down the bowl on the south side of the summit.
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A little tricky finding a route through the middle, but great corn snow in the sun, and winter snow in the trees. WAY better than you would think. January's low sun, and a slight east wind kept the snow from falling apart. Even down low, the corn snow was perfect at 1pm.
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The east ridge climb is that clump of thicker trees below the summit. The bowl you are looking at faces east, but has a little south tilt on skier's left. Half way down, we had to traverse over pretty far into the shaded area to find continous skiing. Then we went back over into the sun below the East Ridge and found great corn snow again.
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Here's a shot of the south side of Jake's on the way back. Probably a bit tracked out, but great skiing. Someone emailed me today from Sac asking if the snow was all melted, preventing a Castle Peak ski. We have plenty of snow! I can see why you would think that however, sitting in 70 degree weather down the hill. Skiing in the backcountry is amazing right now. Stop going to the ski area, put down the golf clubs...
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Mike, great looking turn! I can't tell from the picture, are you AT skiing now?

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that's our friend Tim, an ASI guide. I tele and parallelamark.

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Nice TR, Mike. We ended up doing pretty much the same exact lines today (down the gully behind Echo to peek at Mini Halls and then down the chute to skier's left of Echo summit). Checked out Halls and Mini Halls, but neither go right now. We even were prepared to rappel down parts, but both were too boney looking. Anyhow, Echo is holding surprisingly good snow right now.


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nice one. thanks for the report. Echo Peak has a lot of terrain, awsome views, and light traffic.

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Went to HOG couloirs on north side of Echo Peak monday 2/1/10. Great snow, boot deep in places. A group of snowboarders hit
the area pretty good a few days before, but left a few of the best spots untouched for us still.

Here's a pic from Tallac taken last week. Pretty filled in. The skier's right options in the Hall couloirs are a bit rocky and required
a downclimb. We did 2 runs back here, one in HOG and one on mini Hall, which is fat right now. Then a steep run off the top
of Echo below the cornices down towards the little lakes on the south side of Angora Peak. Even the burnt forest had good snow.
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Ralston is the big pyramid on the left. Pyramid is in the center, and Jack's/Dick's on the right. Sweet!
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Looking at the south side of Tallac. The peak on the lower right down the ridge is Angora Peak. When Fallen Leaf Lake Road used to be plowed in winter, this was a nice treed powder stash like Rubicon. I assume some folks still ski that 1000' tree run with some sort of traverse from the Tahoe Blvd neighborhood.
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Not too extreme right here, although photos don't show slope angle well. These couloirs are steep only in spots, but in the wrong
conditions you would certainly wish you weren't there.
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The complex Hall of Gods couloirs is on the left, mostly hidden in the rocks. Mini Hall is the fat one in the center. Then there
are 3-4 steep narrow lines through the cliffs and trees on the right.
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Looking at the south side of Jack's Peak (left) and Dick's Peak (right)
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We skied both gullies here, which are right next to the summit. They have huge cornices, but you can sneak around them and drop
into a short steep east facing cirque. Be sure they aren't going to fall on you though!
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If you're going out to these chutes, remember these are steep. You won't enjoy it in firm conditions or with inadequate coverage.
Be ready to turn around if it's over your head. Nothing too crazy with the right conditions. I've gone down before and walked back
up which was nearly as sketchy as scraping my way down halfway. This is serious avalanche terrain as well, including the terrain
next to the chutes where you start skinning back up.

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Looks good. We hit it last year in similar conditions:

http://www.thebackcountry.net/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1552


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Had a nice 2 days on Echo Peak... on Sat we went from Echo to Tallac... I believe I got the inspiration from a thread off of this forum, so I figure I'll contribute here... haven't contributed in a while anyway.

We went up Echo... did a few short runs on the E. Face as the snow was surprisingly good up high... and cruised over to Halls of the Gods.

Cracked Crag looks great... we were tempted to go out there... next time...
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Looking down Mini-Hall, which had great snow in there...
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And Nick looking down Halls.
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A look at Fallen Angel.
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A look back at Halls... I skied the skier's right entrance. Unlike Mini-Hall, or the E. Face of Echo, the snow in here was basically refrozen chunder... it was filled in, but I had to point it through the choke and made some scary turns in there... wouldn't recommend it in those conditions.
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tracks...
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Summit pic on Tallac... our buddies met us on the summit... sans nick and chris...
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I didn't bring the red food colored water... I swear, but it made for a nice pre V-day pano.
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Splitboard and I decided to check out Baby Cham... The top part of the cross was bulletproof... but BabyCham was OK. there were a few tracks down it already...
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Here's a link to Splitboard doing BabyCham.
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The crux... safely done... w/o flair...

The next day I brought Mingus along, recovered from his day at Jake's... and I also didn't think he'd do too well touring from Echo to Tallac.
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Ay yay yay... the verdict is... my verdicts need some help...
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Splitboard getting ready to drop in on our 3rd lap
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Our tracks from yesterday
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More pics & vid:
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Telek
your panos are amazing on your site. Is this possible with a point and shoot? How are you doing it?
You've seen my lame photoshop panos. I'm ready for the next step but don't want real camera gear.

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Mike. I just use a canon sd800... definitely still amateur.

The software I use is called autopano pro. It's like 100$ or so... I love panos. So it's worth the $ for me.


If you want to try out the same technology you should use the freeware "autostitch"... just get it here.
http://cvlab.epfl.ch/~brown/autostitch/autostitch.html

depending on your computer speed, you can change the image output (I don't have it anymore), but I recall changing the image output (like to 20% of the original size to make the stitching process much quicker... then if it looked good at 20%, I'd do it at 100% for printing)... under Edit -> Options....forget what it was called. You'll have to play around a bit, and you can only do one pano at a time. Autopano Pro gives you some more options and will let you do multiple panos at a time... I'd recommend trying out autostitch for a while, then if you are pleased with the technology... and end up taking a lot of panos, buying autopano pro.

PM me if you've got more questions.


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Location: Halls of the Gods Couloir, Indian Cliff Chutes (Angora Peak)

Date: Saturday, March 6, 2009

Skiers: Bob & Nick (UCL)

Photographers: Nick (unless otherwise noted as Bob)

Weather: On Saturday a small Low system was moving through the Tahoe region. Skies were grey-bird, with light winds out of the E/SE. Around mid-afternoon, light snow showers quickly move in and out of the area (with little to no accumulation).

Avalanche Conditions:

From the Sierra Avalanche Center: Avalanche danger is LOW for all elevations and aspects. Very isolated areas of instability may exist. Snowfall amounts greater than forecast expectations could create isolated areas of locally higher avalanche danger today.

On our approach up the Echo/Angora ridge line to Halls, we encountered a number of aspects and through informal tests (pole probes, hand shears, etc...), we did not encounter any instabilities. A party of 4 descended the Main Halls Couloir before us with no signs of instabilities. During both of our descents, neither of us found any instabilities. There was evidence towards the bottom of the Couloir that it had naturally slide earlier (likely during Wednesday’s storm).

As previously posted in the Tahoe conditions thread, during our skin up and around towards Angora, we witnessed from far away a member of that same party of 4 trigger a slide in Mini Halls of the Gods Couloir (which did not appear to have naturally slide on Wednesday).

Here is the 1st hand account of the slide:
http://www.sierraavalanchecenter.org/node/540

Here is my observations and report (with videos of the debris):
http://www.sierraavalanchecenter.org/node/541

Here is the S.A.C. inspection of the crown the day after:
http://www.sierraavalanchecenter.org/node/543

I am glad the triggering party turned out OK (although missing the ride out sucked – more on that later).

Synopsis:

After hitting Halls of the Gods Couloir last year with Frank and Colin in very good snow conditions ( http://www.thebackcountry.net/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1552 ), I knew I had to get back during good snow conditions. Only this time, definitely better to take the appropriate route up the ridge between Angora and Echo Peaks. Shaved off a good amount of time (at least an hour and ½) off the approach time.

Our transportation. Note Bob’s setup is much heftier than mine. Add in the fact that he tours in Alpine boots (more on that later), his setup is weighing in at 137.32 lbs more! Photo: Bob

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Bob skinning from Wintoon Road towards Echo Peak, with the remnants of the Echo Fire:

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Echo Bowl looking pretty good.

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Nick working his way up. Photo: Bob

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Bob skinning up through the giant pines, rocking his essentially camo Arcteryx gear:

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It was grey-bird throughout the day, but the views of Lake Tahoe were great nonetheless:

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The lower portion of Angora Bowl. It appeared like this would be amazing skiing and it was our intention to ski Halls, then skin around the backside of Angora and descend this down the Angora Lake (followed by a skin over the ridge and back down to Wintoon). This was later derailed with a suffer-fest result for Bob (more on that later).

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The crowns at the top of Echo Peak are getting enormous! Photo: Bob

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A view of Ralston Peak from the backside of Echo Summit. We could barely make out the crown from the slide reported last week. New snow has mostly covered the runout. Photo: Bob

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Standard skin-track stoke for a standard Nick TR:

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The Summit of Indian Cliff Chutes in the foreground, with Angora Peak summit behind to the right, and the summit of Tallac off to the left. Falling Leaf Lake down below, before the big lake.

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Nick on the summit. Photo: Bob

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Every TR needs the “Look Away and Point Shot”. Insert here. Photo: Bob

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The first member of the party of 4 before us dropping we. We all essentially summited at the same time (Bob and I via skinning around Echo Peak, the group of 4 booting up one of the Couloirs from Falling Leaf Lake):

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Another member of that party dropping into left Halls:

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Bob and I individually dropped into middle Halls. At the 1/3 way point, there is a safe zone that has a ramp that you can cut over to the right Halls. Bob eventually cut over.

Bob dropping into middle Halls:

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Bob looking down ½ through Halls. Photo: Bob

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Nick dropping into the upper portion. Photos: Bob

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I am clearly pleased with Halls! Photos: Bob

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Bob after cutting over to right Halls:

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Bob getting closer to the choke-point on right Halls:

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Bob looking down at the choke-point on right Halls. Photo: Bob

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From my perch at the 1/3 point safe zone referenced above, I decided to continue down middle Halls. Looking down the line:

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Bob on the lower portion of Halls (when all three entrances above converge):

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Nothing like steep couloir skiing in great, fresh, cold pow!

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Nick descending the lower exit. Photo: Bob

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Bob opening up on the apron. The snow was phenomenal, untouched pow in the right lines.

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Flat light doesn’t matter. Bob still manages to throw a pow spray for the camera!

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Looking out towards Falling Leaf Lake from the base of Halls. Photo: Bob

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Looking back at Halls (left and middle) and Mini Halls (to the right). Photo: Bob

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Well, as noted above in my observations from the slide, we had scrapped our plans to skin back to Angora to help look for the triggering party’s missing ski. While I did find his goggles and hat, the ski was a lost cause. No one could find it as the debris pile ran for about 1,300 feet. It was getting late in the day and we did not feel comfortable skinning over to ski Angora Bowl at that point (and it was getting stormy).

I mentioned that we were parked at Wintoon Road (far away at that point), and a couple of members of the triggering party noted that they could give us a ride from Falling Leaf Lake. To their merit, although I noted that we could use the ride, as they headed off it may have appeared that we were skinning up higher. We were (only to the top of the apron) to ski a descent.

We arrived at Falling Leaf Lake about 5 minutes after them based on talking to someone there, but they were gone. It was noted that they asked about us at least. Perhaps I wasn’t as clear as needed that we were depending on that ride rather than skinning all the way around to Wintoon. Oh well – either way the walk out SUCKED.

For those of you that don’t know, Falling Leaf Lake Road is gated and you need a key. There was no one else at the base of the trailhead, other than another couple. They offered to give us a ride back to our car on Wintoon Road (which was very nice of them), but they were parked outside the gate b/c they did not have the code. The walk is 3 miles on cement to the gate!

I was completely fine in my AT boots, but Bob somehow manages to day tour in the World’s Heaviest Setup: (i) Megawatts, (ii) Marker Dukes and (iii) Alpine Boots. Needless to say, the walk for him was a complete Suffer-fest.

After about a mile in his boots, his feet were killing him so I offered to make him some shoes. Yet another use for a Sam Splint! I am taking orders for all those interested:

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In retrospect, I should have adhered the Sam Splints to the bottoms of his liners so that his feet would stay dry and warm, but my Apprenticeship at Sam Splint Cobbling is only 2 days old!


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Skied Halls of God yesterday (60+ MPH winds!! :shock: ). A few inches of snow slabs were breaking, but nothing crazy.
Skied well. The skin back up to the Angora-Echo ridge was scary, about a foot of snow tha sat on a crust and seemed to just wait to slide. It didn't, but I sure felt better once out of the main gully.
East side skied OK, but the last 700 ft were pretty awful: breakable crust everywhwere.
Once in a while a couple of good turns, but only to lull you into believing the worst was over, then CRUST!

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nice job rod and nick. sweet shoe idea. Very nice of you nick to help people look for gear in a non life threatening situation like that. I know those guys, they owe you a case of good beer.

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everyone needs to stroll down les couloir des dieu.
Today (tuesday mar 9) was my turn.
Temps: Cool
Winds: Light
Skies: Bluebird
Snow: 4"-8" of super blower overnight

Echo Peak from near trailhead. Final descent route was the southeast face just lookers left of echo peak.
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there's something about charred tree trunks and fresh snow on a sunny day..
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Ralson looking epic. Oh Desolation, why are you so desolate and far away?
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The thing about skiing solo is that no one is around to take shots of you, so most of my shots are looking up or down. Here's looking up Halls from a few turns down.
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Looking down toward the choke.
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If a skier hoots and hollers in ecstasy in a couloir with no one else around, were the turns sweet?
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The slog back. Too bad is wasn't a nice day.
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A long day - check. Next storm rolling in - check.
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